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Cartesian Dialogue
2.28.2002
11:58 PM | Link
I had to write a two-page paper for my ACC Philosophy class, just to show that understood at least one concept. I wrote an imaginary discussion between Descartes and Sir Walter Raleigh, just to have some bizarre fun.

Soon after Sir Walter Raleigh helped introduce the use of smoking tobacco to England after returning from Virginia, he offered a wager to Queen Elizabeth that he could weigh the smoke produced by her pipe during a given time. This dialogue places Raleigh and Descartes in the same place and time, and offers a fanciful inspiration for that famous bet.

Raleigh
Ah, Rene - so good to see you. Have you decided if I exist yet?
Descartes
Hello, Walter - I'm afraid not. I've only just completed my Second Meditation, so I am far from knowing if anything exists, save myself. Real or not, I'm eager to talk to you, however, and share what I have discovered about true perception.
Raleigh
Perception? I assume you refer to that which we know by the senses, such as the aromatic smell from this fine tobacco I'm smoking. Even the Queen is smoking now!
Descartes
Let's discuss smoking later, Walter. Actually, I believe the senses have nothing to do with true perception.
Raleigh
How can that be? Explain, Rene.
Descartes
As I was busy in contemplation, I performed an interesting experiment with a piece of beeswax. It was still sweet with honey and smelling of flowers. I could see its size and color. It made a sound when struck. In short, all of my senses told me plainly this was a piece of wax.
Raleigh
Of course, perception comes from the senses.
Descartes
Let me finish - I then heated the wax until it melted. Now the smell was gone and the taste indistinct. Obviously the size and shape had changed, as the wax was now liquid. All of my senses then told me the substance was something entirely different from what I before called "wax".
Raleigh
Yes, but we all know that solid wax melts into liquid wax.
Descartes
But do my senses tell me this? If I had no previous knowledge of wax, and was presented on separate occasions with solid and liquid wax, would I know they are the same thing?
Raleigh
I suppose not.
Descartes
So the senses did not give me this knowledge. Yet, I understand without a doubt that the solid wax I held previously was indeed now liquid wax. You see, it is the mind that perceives, not the senses. The mind knows clearly and distinctly that both substances are wax - this is a clear and distinct mental perception.
Raleigh
Quite interesting. The mind perceives alone, without aid of the senses, for in this case sensory perception would be incorrect.
Descartes
I think you're having a clear and distinct perception right now, Walter! I have my manuscript right here, if I may quote: "...what must particularly be observed is that its perception is neither an act of vision, nor of touch, nor of imagination, and has never been such although it may have appeared formerly to be so, but only an intuition of the mind, which may be imperfect and confused as it was formerly, or clear and distinct as it is at present, according as my attention is more or less directed to the elements which are found in it, and of which it is composed."
Raleigh
Well spoken, Rene. Shall we conduct a similar experiment now?
Descartes
Certainly! I have no doubt you will consider tobacco your subject.
Raleigh
What else? Actually, I think we can recreate your argument easily.
Descartes
Please continue, Walter.
Raleigh
What do the senses tell us about tobacco? I have some fresh leaves in my pouch right here. Ah, they smell as fresh as Virginia. They are pliable to the touch, have a wonderful ruddy brown color, and ever so quietly crackle as I pinch them near my ear. So initially, this is what the senses call "tobacco".
Descartes
Yes, but what happens when you smoke it?
Raleigh
Well, let's examine what remains here in the bowl of my pipe. What do the senses tell me now? This substance smells of ash, though a lingering aroma of the tobacco remains. The touch is similar to sand - not at all like the fresh leaves before. The color is black and gray, and this dust makes no sound at all when pinched.
Descartes
So, considering the senses alone, could these two entirely different substances be perceived as the same?
Raleigh
Not at all. However - let me make sure I get this right, Rene - I do have a clear and distinct mental perception that the tobacco leaves and the ash are in fact the same thing, although my senses tell me otherwise.
Descartes
Exactly - which demonstrates that the nature of true perception is mental. In your mind, you perceive the truth clearly and distinctly! But there is an interesting addition to your version of the experiment, Walter.
Raleigh
What would that be?
Descartes
In melting the wax, the senses would show that the solid and liquid wax remained at approximately the same weight. Yet I would say that the ash in your pipe weighs less than the weight of your tobacco leaves.
Raleigh
Wonderful! Yet another way the senses would have us perceive that the leaves and the ash are different substances, when we mentally perceive they are the same.
Descartes
So, if the weight of the ash is subtracted from the weight of the tobacco before smoking, what remains?
Raleigh
The weight that has been lost in the smoking. But how could that weight have been lost?
Descartes
What is produced is the burning of the tobacco into ash?
Raleigh
Why, the smoke, of course. Enough to fill a room, usually.
Descartes
So, perhaps the missing weight could be...
Raleigh
The weight of the smoke!
Descartes
No need to jump to conclusions, Walter. I'm not sure we can truly make that conclusion - it's quite outside of the argument I'm making...
Raleigh
Yes, but I can make that conclusion!
Descartes
Would you say you have a clear and distinct mental perception of this assumption?
Raleigh
Who cares? Listen, I was just on my way to enjoy smoking with Queen Elizabeth and her courtiers, and I'm sure they would make the same conclusion. In fact, I'll wager on it!
Descartes
But Walter, you understand this wasn't really the point of our discussion.
Raleigh
Yes, yes. But our discussion is over - I'm afraid I have to go. Tell me, what will you do next?
Descartes
I plan to prove the existence of God.
Raleigh
I'd much rather prove that the Queen pays off a lost bet.

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